Peter Oleihoek Study Page 30- Icelandic Sheepdog Family Groups

Hello Folks, Thought it was a good idea to show what the family groups looked like when the study was done ten years ago.. It will give you a idea of just how small all the other groups beside A1 and B23 are, now I have no doubt that some groups have more dogs in them, but in keeping with that, so have the large groups also grown.

Now the interesting things that happens is that each country has its own pools of lines, and in this way, they create their own pools of bloodlines..

Right now near as I can see, we tend to have in Canada - A1, B1, B3, H1, J1, M1, M3, O

If there are other dogs with other families, I am unaware of them, and do not mean to leave them out, please if you have a dog with a different family group, I would love to hear about it and will be very happy to add their bloodlines, please remember that your dog must have more then half of its bloodlines related to any one bloodline to claim it, otherwise, the dog carries that bloodline, and with linebreeding it could be brought out in future generations.

Icelandic Sheepdog - Interesting information about Rare Family lines

More information from Monika in regards to the Peter O study and working with Rare Lines


It was 3700 dogs he started with according to my notes taken at a meeting we had with him in Denmark. I don’t know about the 4 family groups you talk about being the main ones. I think one of his first calculations gave him 5 clusters when doing a 7 generation calculation but he broke them down much smaller when he did the founder dogs and those are the family groups we talk about and have in the database. The ones you mention could be the main groups you have in USA although I do believe you started with a few dogs in the H or J groups as well (this is the Dutch group) and are still working with those groups. Now I really wish I had my computer to check this stuff but I’m using the good old paper copies I have that list all the dogs and their groups up to the year of the study. I have his original work and that’s the one I read along with the conversations I had with him and the info he gave at the first meeting after the study. I just checked the one from the website now and I found out I do have that in a paper copy as well and it does mention all the groups he found so I think the reports I have and the one on the website are pretty similar.


He broke down all the clusters he started with even farther and ended up with the following families that are used to label all the dogs in the database. Every dog belongs to one of these families but unfortunately a newer study is not finished so the dogs born during the years after the study are not labelled. A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, B6, B7, E1, E2, F1, H1, H2, I, J1, J2, J3, K2, K3, K4, M1, M2, M4, M5, O, P, Q, S, U1, V, W. He has the diagrams as well in his work as to which countries each family existed in. I do know however that even though you use a dog in a rarer line the progeny do not necessarily end up being a part of that rare line. So dogs in the A family can be slightly less related to each other (hence A1-A5, five smaller groups inside the large A group) but still stem from the same family so they are not giving us any new genetic material. A1 had dogs in all Scandinavian countries, A2 was mostly Denmark, Finland, Netherlands and Sweden if I’m not mistaken, A3 was only in Denmark and A4 in Germany and Denmark, A5 only in Denmark.

The reason for this being that the dogs that each country brought in and started breeding from in a way started their own families but within the large family group just the same. The same with B, some lines in B are smaller although B3 and B4 can’t really be considered rare (there were still fewer individuals at the time than in the A group). The other main family groups that can’t really be considered rare are H1 and J1 which are found in Holland almost exclusively (up until the past decade). Others are less widespread, all of the B lines were in Iceland with few individuals in Sweden and B5 was only in Germany. And so on and so on. During the years following the study the lines have been interbred to a much larger degree but there are still main family groups in most countries that are being bred more than others.


I do know there were 7 dogs in the 0 line though. A mother and her 6 offspring. There was one single dog belonging to the E1 family and he is gone so that whole "family" has disappeared today. There were also only two dogs belonging to the P family so it was even rarer than the O. Their mother was the only dog belonging to the Q family and she only had two registered puppies, two siblings were the total P family group. One was the grandmother of the O family and the other was her brother who only had ONE single litter in his lifetime and that was with a female in Holland (done by AI) just a couple years ago. His line is EXTREMELY important! I think by doing this combination in Holland that the O line was probably widened rather than lost, maybe even a new family has been made by that combination I really would love to know for sure. But when we view the fact that his sisters offspring were O even though she was used with a dog in the A group then it makes you wonder how a litter out of a smaller family group J1 might be clustered with this P line. So instead of these two siblings making dogs in the P family they started their own family called O. I do believe the idea of this wonderful mating in Holland is to breed these individuals back to the O line that was imported to Holland as well. I think that will be exciting to see a family line arise from that since Holland is the only country now that can breed those two lines together! We don’t even have that line in Iceland anymore.


Now it has to be kept in mind that the rare bloodlines differ greatly in phenotype to the dogs in the larger family groups and so it should be, it means the breed is genetically healthy (alot of variation) to see that we still have so many "posibilities" for differing type as well as colours etc. The problem is that most people don’t recognise the differences in the larger families that they are used to seeing and the smaller rarer lines as a good thing which is sad because they may decide not to use important individuals in breeding just because of slight faults (like HD, less good structure, finer bone or smaller stature). Often people get talked into abandoning their goal of widening the family group because their dogs become "less popular" due to phenotype and possibly people don’t want to buy a dog that can’t "compete" with the rest of the population at shows! They should see and breed the differences with the goal to possibly bring the type closer together (not to breed out the older type but to keep it and improve on faults and vice versa) but keep the genetic variation at the same time. You don’t do that by throwing out the old type and breed solely to a fashion in the show ring in my mind. There are a few very courageous people in our breed and I do salute them for their efforts which they may not see the full results of in their lifetimes. I wish I had the space and time to add more dogs to my home so I too could work on this important project but I use what I have as best I can.


I think possibly it was failed to mention the fact that in order to widen the rarer families we actually have to have higher inbreeding co-efficients in those particular lines to start with. Pieter was very clear on this point in his conversations with me, we need to linebreed them together to increase the population since the numbers of dogs available in those lines is still very limited, it’s almost like starting over again with certain lines. The low inbreeding co-efficients are of course most important in the larger family groups that we have so many more individuals and the population of those dogs are much too similar in their genetics, they have lost variation through stamping of type! I am not an expert on the subject I want to make that clear but I hope I took the right info from my conversations with Pieter when I was thinking of using my own dogs as "gineau pigs" to rarer mates (mine are in the A family group). I did ask if it would be a waste to use my dogs because they were in the bigger family group. What I remember the most is that he felt that the rarer dogs should be used as much as possible so they would need to be bred with many different lines and hopefully more with smaller lines but at the same time since very few are willing to use them then just the fact that they are used was more important than with which line and then they should be bred back to their own line to strengthen their numbers and their genes so that the larger family lines did not double up because then you lose the very genetic material you are trying to save. We can be much more picky with the larger groups whereas the rarer lines need to be used despite faults until the numbers are catching up to the other families.
Skotta the mother is of course dead now and only had that one litter. Of the 6 puppies one is dead (he had been exported to Norway but was never used) that I know of but if they are still alive then 4 remain in Iceland. Two male dogs have been used in Iceland and their one sister was exported to Sweden (I have a grand daughter of hers) and has had a few litters there. I don’t expect to see many more litters from these dogs themselves since they are already 10 years old. Some of their progeny have been exported and very few remain or are being used here in Iceland, I managed to talk the owner into one litter from a 5 1/2 year old daughter to Skolli. I hope she has more litters but I’m not sure she will since the market here is very small and her owner has a busy life and most breeder’s here are not as willing to export puppies out of the country.


I think to a certain degree that it is a bit misunderstood how many litters these rare dogs need to have in order to have enough genetic material that we actually can start to breed smarter with their lines. How else can we widen the gene pool but to use them as much as possible giving them a much larger quota than the dogs in other family lines. However because most breeders will not take a chance on their "type" for the good of the breed’s future it is very sad that we are seeing maybe one or two litters from an O line male and at the same time maybe 10-15 each from other males because they are popular. With this type of thinking the larger families keep getting larger and more threatening, making the rarer lines even smaller all the time even though there may be a few more individuals every year or two the numbers are not growing fast enough in my opinion to keep them from becoming extinct a few years down the road. We have to use some dogs in the larger groups together with these rarer individuals just in order to add to their numbers to be able to go back and linebreed back to them in future. If they are only used with one or two particular families then in future when those are bred back then you are not adding to one particular family but to maybe two at the same time and they get pretty caught up in each other and hard to seperate losing genetic variation from both lines. Does that make sense? I do know of one line here in Iceland for example that was bred to get the M3 line but it is continually bred back to the B3 line to make sure the dogs are "show type" because one particular popular stud was overused and he is hard to avoid now so the M line is being diluted because it can’t be seperated from the B line. So in that sense you need to outcross to be able to break free of the connection between the two lines.


I don’t know I am very concerned about the breed and I know you know that. Hehehe. I for one am concerned about the dilution of all the families constantly and too much mixing, and believe it is causing the popping of hidden diseases and as you say the loss of important breed traits. It is still just a theory that the faults are appearing because of this method of breeding but it started happening at the same time the outcrossing began. I feel the zero co-efficient is causing havock in the breed but my concern is more along the lines of diluting the smaller families into the larger ones because people are too concerned about keeping their type at the cost of keeping breed traits or bloodlines. People may take a chance on breeding a rarer line and then not like what they see and decide to breed back to the larger family in order to get their type back.


This is where I tend to think, and hopefully I don’t sound like I´m contradicting myself from my article and other comments about the breed, that we let dog shows have too much influence on how we breed dogs. NOW let me state that I feel we need to keep the breed type (and there are a few different ones that can still fit into the standard) structure to be able to work and special traits without losing focus on the future of the breed. Structural faults inevitably follow certain lines (and by that it could be bloodlines or family lines, I hope I word that understandably) and in order to fix those faults you need to decide whether the line is from a family group that needs to be widened before it’s fixed or if it´s from a bloodline that has more than enough representatives to keep the structural faulted dogs out of the breeding pool. It makes a big difference and is hard for those who have bred different breeds or other animals to understand that even things like HD in certain important dogs need to be overlooked in order to save the genetics of the line whereas in the larger groups you can afford to be stricter.



It’s good that people all have different opinions and fun to run them past each other from time to time that’s how we can best learn to work together. So I’m gonna go out on a limb here! J I have actually been complaining about how the breed is progressing here in Iceland over the past 3-4 years. I’m extremely worried that we are getting too consistent in type and losing good dogs that don’t fit that mould. Too much stamping of one particular type or consistency can kill off genetic variation very quickly especially when maybe one or two idividuals are used over and over again that all belong to the same family group. We have during the past few years had very few dogs used in breeding, we are losing the old lines and we are also getting more and more competitive people showing the dogs and wanting to win. This means that there are a few old bloodlines left but they are not being shown and not being used much because they are losing their appeal to breeders, the gap is getting larger and larger (the older lines were finer in bone, today you have extreme bone as everyone competes to produce thicker and thicker bone for example and on the other side of the scale some countries don’t have enough bone) too because most Icelanders don’t have a clue about the family groups study and just breed to be able to show so they see these important individuals as "dispensable" and old fashioned. Most if not all the dogs that come to dog shows today are related through two or three overused males, there is no doubt consistency when most the dogs in the ring are very closely related to each other. I for one feel it’s a sad sad time and the more these dogs are bred the smaller the rare family groups get since they cannot compete with the current fashion at shows any more than they could before which originally put them in this position of dying out.


I do agree with you (please excuse my cander everyone) that the "general type" in Iceland differs greatly from that in the US (and I do like the Icelandic type better J ). I feel that is due to the fact that you are breeding different family groups together than we are. For example we don’t have and never have had the J or H family group and we didn’t use the same individual families within the B group that were exported many years ago. Just recently we started using dogs from those family groups and the B3 and B4 have become overused here as well as I’m sure over there. On the other hand what differs from our type and your type is what family groups we are mixing together like I said we haven’t had the other lines that your population is built on. We are using the B and M family much more today but started out with alot of A family dogs. I actually think that the A family is decreasing here (probably other places as well) which also changes the general type and we don’t have dogs that look the same as they used to because of this shifting of popular lines. Sigridur mentioned after the show that she only saw a few of the "old type" which she felt was sad and she thanked the owners and breeders (I was one of them) for keeping those lines going. Linebreeding is taking place big time but in a different way than people expect. You may be breeding a low co-efficient but you are breeding from the same family groups and those dogs could all have similar "faults" and stamp the type they represent in the different "kennels" and family lines and you aren’t really adding genetic variation per se. The fact that the co-efficient is low though means it makes it easier for hidden faults to surface because you are bringing together a lot of lines that were "isolated" within certain kennels. It may be a good idea to add some of the family groups into the US that aren’t already represented in order to be able to bring in different types to "fix" what needs fixing but keep in mind that you will get inconsistency in the first few generations and work with it. These you would work as "rare family groups" in your country even though they may not be rare worldwide, it would give you easy access to dogs that can be used to fix faults and then you can breed back out to those lines you prefer to use. Whereas the rare family groups "worldwide" need a totally different strategy, they need to be bred true after spreading them about. I hope that isn’t too confusing but this is my understanding of what is best for the future of the whole population.



I too would be anxious to know how the pendulum has shifted because it seems to me that some of the family groups have in fact grown much larger while others still remain small and I believe a couple have actually decreased like the A family. Which was of course the thing they set out to do but some families still need alot of numbers to come close to having enough clout to compete in the genepool. The main rare family is still without a doubt the 0 family.



Again I hope my comments aren’t too confusing and I think that what I wrote in my article still holds true and as I say my main concern with the zero inbreeding co-efficient is the hidden defects surfacing out of all the lines and I still stick to that opinion. I know that a bottleneck is not a good thing to have in the breed and unfortunately breeders continue to make bottlenecks all the time by using few studs and popular dogs as "matadors". The fact being that all these matadors are in the same family group (mostly B3 and B4 and possibly J lines today whereas it used to be the A family) makes the situation even more critical for the survival of the rare lines in my opinion.



However as far as I know the A line is not widespread over there, I sent a couple that are half A because I didn’t know of many there at the time. Those individuals are also mixed with the M1, J1 and B3 so it’s a little bit of a puzzle to try to preserve the different lines. Like I said we don’t have data on the family groups for most of the dogs in the breeding program today which makes it hard to assess because it is not easy to figure out who fits in what group by simply looking at their pedigrees when the rarer lines go too far back it’s harder to access them as well since as you mention they can be so diluted by then. You have alot of M line dogs in North America, they make up a large part of your population so it shouldn’t be so hard to mix and match those lines back up but I think the most widespread are the B3 and B4 lines and J1. I can’t wait to get my database working again!


I think that is way too much but I got carried away...I have a habit of doing that! So sorry to those who were bored by the length of it.


Monika
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Monika's Excellent Post on the Peter Oliehoek's Study

This post was on one of the ISD Yahoo Groups, but as always Monika was so very helpful and it is worth having this posted on the website for more folks to read.

"I wrote an article about the breed and wrote a little bit about the “families” and my own personal opinions about the breed. I didn’t write specifically how the families were calculated but I did put a link to Pieter Oliehoek’s study in my article. Here is Pieter’s study: http://www.geneticdiversity.net/dog.html . I’m no expert on the subject but I did speak alot with Pieter at the time and have done alot of personal study of the population through the years with knowledge of the dogs used many years ago as well as dogs exported to other countries. I believed the breed’s longterm future was at stake and have personally used my dogs as “gineau pigs” to bring in new blood especially around the time of the study which has in turn kept my dogs pretty much out of the show ring since. It seems that breeding bloodlines and breeding show dogs don’t always go hand in hand! Then I found that my dogs were losing some of the traits I tried so hard to preserve so my goal has been to keep both in tact, the bloodlines as well as the breed traits. To me both are important. The question is will my dogs benefit the future of the breed by how I decide to breed them or am I just thinking about my own lifetime and how the breed can benefit me! Just a personal thought and the first answer is what has kept me breeding through good and bad.

Very quickly I think I can explain a little bit about the family groups. The pedigree info about the whole population worldwide up to 1997 was put into a special program that calculated how related they are to each other and as a whole and divides them up in families based on specific bloodlines and how widespread they are. If a “new” dog appeared (family info not available OR unknown) for example then that would constitute a new “family” (genetic variation that was “new” to the population). All the dogs that the population was originally built on were founders. On the other hand there were also dogs that were just used so seldom that their blood had become extremely rare in the population as to make them important to breed from just to keep the family bloodline alive. In Iceland there are quite a few families that are rare because we have alot of dogs that are not used often enough either because they were not shown, lived in isolated areas or because people did not think they were nice enough looking. Years ago many dogs were rarer because their progeny was never exported and some dogs who were never used and their family line has been lost. For example one dog named Garpur was his own “family” and he died without ever having progeny, he was an extremely nice dog with a wonderful temperament (hardly seen anymore), not barky or nervous and he had a nice colouring as well. Since I wrote my article I can say that I find that fewer and fewer dogs are being used and more and more people are focussing on dog shows and health tests rather than concentrating on adding genetic variation first and then perfecting the dogs and tweeking. So many people use the same studs over and over and over again on different females or related males on the same females, which is just causing the exact thing that the study was trying to prevent. The same genes are getting spread through the whole population and can’t be avoided in future breedings. As long as we have lots of different families to tap back to then we have posibilities to fix things gone wrong, but if everyone is breeding the same families and bloodlines then there is no genetic variation. The rarer families need to be used alot more, their genepool widened and isolated as well because if they are used too much within the larger family groups then their blood gets lost anyway. If you use a rarer bloodline with the same family lines that are already governing the population then you lose the rare blood very quickly as soon as those individuals are used again with the main population.

What does the M1 gene do? Inquiring minds want to know!!

So the M1 is not a gene per se, it is a group of dogs within a family bloodline that is called M1 in the study. It means that the bloodline was not very popular (could be because of not being show quality, possibly because of isolation or dogs not being used enough from this line) at the time of the study. Today that line has been used alot more and unfortunately we have no new calculation to tell us where the population is at the moment or where it is headed in general. There are still a few lines that are very rare and I´m pretty sure the rarest is still the 0 family line (which you do have individuals from in North America), these dogs are still very few and far between because the “family” started out as 6 individuals and only a few have been used but only for one or two litters each. I am breeding to that line myself and trying to keep it a bit seperate from the larger family lines. The individuals in the original 0 family were not show dogs although they were quite typical including one alspori and one with double dewclaws on three legs. The question is how important is the rare blood? Do we want to preserve it at all costs? I say yes, since once it’s gone it’s lost forever and then no tweeking can bring it back.

The show dogs in Iceland are usually all from the same few families and those are the ones that keep getting used over and over again and are being exported again for their looks. I am a little embarassed to say that most of the best dogs are actually grandpuppies or linebred to a female from my very first litter and I feel that the line is getting much too widespread. It really isn’t fair to the breed when the popular dogs are the only ones bred, alot has to do with finances of owners (how much they can spend on dog shows, tests and “advertisement”), isolation (where the dogs live in relationship to the main breeding kennels) and the general interest of the owners in the world of breeding and showing. Many very good dogs are on working farms and never come out to shows this means that by default their genes are less widespread or they are never used. We can definitely lose good genes that way. I have during the years travelled many miles to mate my females sometimes in horrible weather, at times my travels were in vain but other times I was lucky and got puppies. Then a funny thing happened the other day, I found a wonderful dog who is already 10 years old and has been pretty much “hidden” because he is just a wonderful family member who works with horses and he lives just down the road from me. Oddly enough I found it quite strange to have a usable stud so close to me. J This is extremely sad and unbelievable that even after the study people seem to be less aware of dogs that are very important, few think of what and how they are breeding in regards to genetic variation.

Some are trying to breed to a low inbreeding coefficient which is a good thing for genetic variation for each particular litter (at the same time it gives us less consistency and means that each puppy is equally important in breeding since they are so very different genetically) BUT if the dogs are both in large family groups how low is the coefficient to the rest of the population and how will it be breedable in the future? It all matters, not just numbers on a pedigree. We need variation...many different unrelated males and many different unrelated females used equally in the population. If we have litters with low inbreeding coefficients then those puppies need to all be viewed as totally different individuals. If we have litters with higher coefficients then we can pick the better of the puppies for breeding because the littermates will have alot of the same genes. This is something that most do not realize and they spay or neuter good dogs from a low inbred litter, ending up having to use a genetically less good individual because it has a totally different genetic makeup than his neutered sibling so they cannot and will not give similar puppies.

I think it is wonderful that some of you are actually asking about this study and wanting to learn more. The only thing I would say is make sure you are bringing in the right family lines to do some good in your own population and the population worldwide.

The families were named with letters, the biggest most widespread was A and in the A there were also smaller families A1, A2 etc. Then came B and so on. In the study the families were listed and the countries they were in, some countries only had the A family and didn’t know it, they just kept importing dogs that they liked the look of and didn’t know how related they actually were because they were only looking at 3 gen pedigrees. They considered all these new dogs as “new blood” but in actual fact they were breeding the same genes back into the population that they already had. Then they of course used linebreeding and such to make a specific type. Iceland had as would be expected the most families and most of the rarer lines thus giving us the most different “looks” and the genetic variation was “obvious” in the dogs. Giving the impression to some that our dogs were “inferior” but in actual fact it meant that our population was a genetically healthy one (by means of variation and posibilities for new combinations). That does seem to be changing today, we have a more UNIFORM breed in Iceland at least within the lines that are being used the most because people are breeding what they think will win at shows which means breeding the most popular dogs who are all related. Mind you some of those dogs are now from the families that used to be rarer like the M family but usually mixed with the larger families. I think that I personally like to see variation in type as well as colours because it means that when the newest fashion has gone to extremes then we can go back and fix what needs fixing. I think that any country where the dogs are too similar are probably in danger of being in a genetic crisis in 50 years or probably less! That of course is my opinion and my own thoughts on the breed, I’m sure there are many who like all their dogs to be carbon copies of each other.

I believe that USA is mostly made up of B, H and M families which of course gives you a different population and in turn a different “look” than in other countries but as with all other countries you need new blood that is not the same as you already have if you want to keep the variation in the population and at the same time keep the breed within the current standard (which is always something we have to do as well). Unfortunately my computer is down so I can’t check my database to make sure which families you have but I do know that these three are prominant.

I guess I will let that be my two cents on the subject. Just wanted to chime in and say I am glad to hear that there are people that are curious. J Like I say my computer is down so I have been having trouble with emails and haven’t been keeping a very close eye on lists. But I hope this helps explain a little bit for those interested.

Greetings from Iceland that has SNOW for a change!!!!
Monika

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Check out the Icelandic Sheepdog on Animal Planet for the AKC Agiltiy Nationals

Hello Folks

Check out Animal Planet broadcast will be at 8 PM Eastern Time on February 10, and again at 11 PM Eastern Time. Rebroadcast at the same times on February 13 and cheer on the Icelandic Sheepdog Team!! Yahooo! Go Icelandic's Go!

Judges Perspective on "Older type Dogs vs Current type Dogs"

Hello Folks,

If I had a dime for everytime some said, "but I saw a photo of a older ISD in year XXX and it looked like this" I would be a very rich women indeed. I loved how this judge addresses this issue, because its a very valid point, the judges are to be judging by the CURRENT standard, on the dogs that are in the ring on that GIVEN day.

I think that its important to remember that any dog can do well once or twice in the show ring, but that its those with staying power that can place in Group under many different judges, that are going to be the type that will move forward in the future, and providing they meet the FCI breed standard, then finer points and tweeks along the way is well within the norm.

"What you do today, brings you closer to where you want to be tomorrow."


"In my Breed Rough Collies, the Standard here has been changed nine times since 1864.

To learn about the "Old Greats" is certainly worthwhile in ones own breed. I do not believe that this knowledge has any relation with judging my breed today.

As a judge, I am expected to judge what I see in the ring "today," and judge said animals according to current Standard.

If one had to wait until something favouring the "Old Greats" comes along, I would still be there in the next Millennium.

I know folk would like to see some breeds revert back in time? but for me what has been has been.

The clock must move on, otherwise I would be judging in a frock coat and the lady exhibitors would be struggling in their crinolines.

There should be no need for any new judge to have to study the "Old Greats" in any new breeds, they may get the wrong ideal into their heads.

When you go to buy clothes for your children, I feel sure you do not go seeking what Elvis was wearing, so it should be with judging.

Just listening all the time to "Old Timers" reminiscing can be fun, but please move into 2008 and ensure you are judging to Current Standards.

Hugh Jones(Seafire Collies) 77 years old

Calgary Puppy Groups Photos of Greenstone Black Pearl

Hello Folks,

Still waiting for my Winning Show Photos to come from Calgary but got two reasonable show photos of Black Pearl in the ring in Puppy Group, so thought I would share, this was Saturday, after she had just taken Best Puppy and Reserve Winners Bitch at the first National Canadian Icelandic Sheepdog Club Booster in Canadian History. What a amazing win for a little 11 month old puppy to do.

I will be doing a full write up on the first National Club Booster for the History of the Breed in N.A. area of the Blog in the near future.

Barks

Ch Greenstone Ajay -TOP Iceland Sheepdog in Canada 2006 CKC

Hello Folks

I have some wonderful and exciting news

Ch Greenstone Ajay, bred and owned by Valerie Sharp of Greenstone Kennesl goes into the history books today.

He is the first Iceland Sheepdog to earn the CKC Top Dog Awards for the year.

Ch Greenstone Ajay is the TOP Iceland Sheepdog for 2006! The first Icelandic in Canada to ever earn this award!

A huge thank you to his handler, Linda Thompson, we could not have done it without you!

A huge thank you to the breeders of Ajay's parents, Tofra Dalla (Tofra Kennel, Iceland, Monika K) and Pineridge Vaskur (Jill Fike and Norm Fox, Pineridge Kennels B.C.).

A huge thank you to my husband Jason for supporting me in my efforts and for all the times you have gotten up at 4 in the morning to help me load the truck and stayed home to look after the farm so that I can "go to the shows" It means a lot to me!

And last but certainly not least, to all my friends, and family and to all my puppy owners! You are the best! Now I am going to ask that you all hug your dogs! Cuz mine has had lots of extra hugs and kisses today!

Barks Val

UKC CH Pineridge Elska CGC

Hello Folks,

Well, its a fine snowy morning, and I saw that folks were looking for a photo of Ch Pineridge Elska CGC, who had two litters for Aldebaren Kennels in the early 2000's. She was bred once with a Denmark Imported Male (only litter this male had) and once with Klumper from Frelsi Farms. Sadly Elska passed away after these two litters, but her offspring and Grand-offspring have gone on to great things, and there was a public post put out for photos of this lovely lady, and it would appear that I am one of the few that have some.. so here is a very nice head profile of this sweet dog, She was very healthy, had good hips and CERF normals, she was a very! soft female in temperment, she was very easy to train but needed to be worked with in a very soft way.. I have video of Elska in movement, and she had a nice topline, quite good shoulders layback, and while she had good drive, she had med reach, coming and going, she looked good on the front, but showed some toeing in on the rear movement. Lower set tail with a very nice curl to it. Good length of Guard hairs, lots of undercoat, but soft for the breed. She carried her head just a bit low in movement, but as I never got to feel her myself, I am unsure as to why. She was greatly loved by all that meet her and I have always heard that she was one of those Icelandic, that folks meet and wanted to have one just like..

Barks

Sad news for the Icelandic Sheepdog Community

Hello Folks, I was very sad to see this post come across one of the Iceland Sheepdog Lists, and I have gotten permission to crosspost.

I still remember the first time six years ago that I visited with Stenfania on the phone, having visited with her off and on the phone over the years, I was honored to be invited to her home in 2005, I fondly remember meeting her and her husband and eating homemade Icelandic Lamb soup in her very warm and farmy kitchen, what an honor to spend the afternoon visiting, meeting her Icelandics, at the time she had five dogs, one intact male imported from Iceland, one female bought from Bolsteds, and her own offspring.

Such lovely dogs, and such lovely folks, while Stenfania may of only had three litters in her kennels life, those lovely puppies went all over both Canada, and the United States and can be found on many pedgirees!!

What Stenfania did within the Icelandic Sheep commutity was amazing, she would have to be called the mother of the Icelandic sheep for N.A. I was in awe of her flock and enjoyed being taken out and getting to meet the sheep, and watching her feed one of her favorite's some apple.. her love and pride for Iceland and Iceland's sheep and dogs was so clear..

I send my best wishes and thoughts to her family and friends, please feel free to send her family a card, and if you have a dog related, I would make the thought of including a photo of this dog, grandpup, or great-grandpup etc..

barks

Hello Group,

It is with a heavy heart that I am writing to inform the group, that the Icelandic Sheep and Icelandic Sheepdog community has lost one of it's great pioneers. Stefania Dignum of Yeoman Farms in Ontario, passed away Sunday February 4th, after a battle with cancer.

Stefania was responsible for the original importation of the foundation flock of Icelandic Sheep in North America. She also had a great love for the Icelandic Sheepdog, as many folks can find Stefania's dogs in the lineage of their own.

Her wisdom and passion for both of these breed's of animals, will be sadly missed.

The family requests no phone calls, although cards may be sent to her family.

Raymond Dignum
Louise Dignum
Yeoman Farms
1273 Long Lake Rd.
Parham, ONT KOH 2KO
Canada

With Regards,

Cathy Lallemand-Chin

ARBA CH Tofra Lagsi of Greenstone Kennels...

Hello Folks

Well, as most of you know, Lagsi, while owned by Greenstone Icelandic Kennel, lives with Grandma Sharp in Alberta, and so we only get to see him once a year or so, but we get to hear about him lots more then that.. Well, Verla takes the most lovely photos of Lagsi in the garden or in the house, they are not really stacks, and I have been saying to Jason, I sure would like to see how he has Finished out, as he is six years in the prime of his life right now.. So Jason and Verla were kind enough to try and get me some stack photos.. So here is a new one of Tofra Lagsi, he is a med coated, Red and White Pied Male, Double on back, single on front.

For those interested, he has OFA Fair, and a couple of CERF normals, and is a very lovely dog with peaple, Lagsi came to us as an adult dog, having had two litters in the US before moving to Canada. Lagsi has never had a litter born in Canada..

Lagsi is a full littermate brother to Alfur at Pineridge Kennels, another lovely med coated Red and white Show Pied male. He is half brother to my Tofra Dalla(same mother, different father), which makes him a half great-uncle to all of Dalla's puppies..

He is also a Uncle to Ch Belglen Runa of Greenstone, as her father is Alfur at Pineridge.

Barks